Model Names

Discussion started by 3dgtx

just a "Helipad" or a "Big Round Red Hospital Aliminum Helipad"?

What about different helipads, partly with concrete and other with aluminum?
Some hexagonal, some square, some round, some big, some small...
Some lowpolys for Games and some highpolys for Animations....
Some lowquality as background objects only, some HQ for the foreground..

What exactly needs a good name?

"Big Round Red Hospital Aliminum Highpoly Helipad"?? vs . "Helipad 1", "Helipad 2".....(WTF^^) vs. "Small Green Hexagonal Gameready Military Concrete Helipad"? LOL ^^

I see so many collisions with short names (on Turbosquid almost every helipad is called just "Helipad"), but I see a value to long-tail names, but do potential buyers too?

However, when sorted by "Best Match", I understand that a "Helipad" will be probably shown on page 1 and the long-tail name on page 100000 (if available), due to the search algorythm.
It also could be in addition handled as "keyword stuffing" by the algorythm == helipad, hospital, aluminum, red, etc.

How do you name your assets and how much headaches do you invest in the right naming? any strategy and experience please.

Answers

Posted almost 2 years ago
3

Perhaps try naming like pizza shops used to do with their ads in the yellow pages. AAAAAAAAAAA Helipad. lol.

I get what you're saying. I would just use what ever word best describes your model, but this brings up a problem with how some users may tend to search for models. "Heli pad" , "heli-pad" or even "helicopter landing pad".

I'm not certain of how the search algorithms work here, but with so many models of similar objects, does a search always bring up the same results each and every time, based on, either, date uploaded, or artist name? Or does it mix it up, giving different results for the same query, perhaps giving more artist's work a chance to be viewed? I would assume putting in more keywords would reduce the number of results in each query, however, it may increase the number of results, in your example....Helipad, Hospital, Aluminum, Red where it would bring results of anything with hospital or aluminum as keywords.

3dgtx wrote
3dgtx
One thing more in regards to: ".........or artist name?" CGT claims, when a positive review from a buyer was received, that is has a positive impact on the "ranking". In my understanding, rankingmust have something to do with rank order of displayed items. But, looking at the "helipad" stuff at $3.60, that is displayed as number 1 on page 1 sorted by best match, it has like 3 positive reviews, that are probably because when buying items at $6 or now $3.60 the buyer more likely is ready to rate it positive, expecting a shitty model at that price, but being surprised not expecting something better than what´s worth a $3.60. So in my opinion, the CGT algorythm exaggerates massively the "rating" theme. I can offer my own models at $3.60 too and buy them from an another account like 100 x times and leave every time a positive review and rate them positive. Then my model would be displayed on page 1 as number 1? even if it would be a shitty asset? Thanks for such an approach^^ That does not work that way for buyers too.
Posted almost 2 years ago
2

Yeah, I guess being so demagogic and naming it just "helipad" just to be so gready being shown on page 1 is not the right way.

Also, there are helipads, helidecks, helidocks, helicopter decks, helicopter docks, helicopter landing side, etc etc. and I know that some do keywording for typos too, in example, you will get slightly different results on page 1 when typing in "soccer ball" and "socer ball".

I see also how you name your models and I guess it is a quite "descriptive" approach, with partly long-tail, so what I myself prefer too.

Posted almost 2 years ago
1

Aliminum....

probably typical typo for Aluminum, should have covered that one too in the name ;)

Big Octogonal Red Hospital Aluminum Aliminum Aluminium Helicopter Landing Area With 3 Stairs And Long Ramp....

Posted almost 2 years ago
0

Long names are of course better if they do not have an excess of epithets and their length is not more than 50-60 characters. Names of such format as model 01 or something like blue car, red car, etc. reduce the cost model.

3dgtx wrote
3dgtx
"reduce the cost model" - what do you mean by that? do you mean *reduce the price of the model*? or the costs of model production...
jaguarbeastproduction wrote
jaguarbeastproduction
If the model costs for example 99$ and at the same time is named car_01 or even worse just a model_01, I think almost any potential buyer will have a dissonance "Why did the designer make a cool, complex model but couldn't make a normal description and a normal, more original and not so banal title. Maybe it's because this model is stolen?".
3dgtx wrote
3dgtx
yeah that´s plausible, thanks for clarification. on CGT on page 1... when sorting by "best match"-- "helipad" is displayed on number 1 followed by the same??? helipad with which name? = "helipad" XD^^ and on place number 8? "helipad 2" LOL
Posted almost 2 years ago
2

Back in the days when people from cgtrader used to engage with the community much more than they do now (which is basically none), someone from the team shared pretty useful insights about best practice for choosing good product names. IIRC it was said that either super short generic names like "helipad", or excessively long ones like "Big Octogonal Red Hospital Aluminum Aliminum Aluminium Helicopter Landing Area With 3 Stairs And Long Ramp...." are equally bad for SEO. You want to choose something in between, 3-4 words name that's quite descriptive and has some generic as well as more specific words in it.

If you have free time, you can try to dig into cgtrader blog archive, 5-8 years ago they used to post all sorts of interesting posts there. Some of them probably are outdated by now, but some of them can be useful even today.

Posted almost 2 years ago
1

"are equally bad for SEO"

Here we go again.
I am a SEO guy (off and on page) so..
One decision is, if you name your items for your buyers, or for Google. I reject to pick names for Google and shock buyers.
Or, you pick them for the algorythm of the specific marketplace. Yes, RenderHub algo works completely different to CGT´s search algo, and what´s displayed.
However, thanks for the info about the topic from 5-8 years ago. Even if the world has changed in meanwhile. Will definitely search for that.

Posted almost 2 years ago
-1

For an accurate and successful selection of the name, description, tags and renders, in my opinion, it would be nice to make a portrait of a potential buyer of their models. Who is it? A refined and vulnerable creative nature or stern bearded sysadmin for whom 3d is just a hobby, indie developer or large production studio. Without this, in any case, it turns out that this is all a lottery.

3dgtx wrote
3dgtx
My guess is my buyers just want to know what it is :-) Despite of excessive use of previews, turntables, I often feel they want a "confirmation" that the item is in example "game ready" and real time optimized, or truly ready to render. For other things I don´t have enough "data".

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