What are the specs of your pc?

Discussion started by delcuvette

Hello,

I would like to change my PC. I have trained Zbrush and Rhino for 2 years. I don't do advanced rendering yet but I want to get started. I thought it was important to have a good GPU but apparently CPU + RAM is more important in some cases.

I don't know what to think anymore. Can you give me your specs? Or your advice on what to choose?

From what I understand, I will need an i7. But with 16 or 32gb of ram? A GPU or not? If no GPU (in the case of a laptop), will I be able to render?

I dont know which kind of render engine I'll use but keep it mind I want to do jewelry rendering.

My pc : https://imgur.com/a/RM9sZDd


Thank you all

Answers

Posted over 1 year ago
3

GPU starting from GTX1060 6Gb. You can use CPU render but it will take more time.
16Gb memory (1600MHz and up) and more if you plan to create models with tens of million polygons.
Working with FullHD resolution in ZBrush is uncomfortable, especially with custom brushes, matcaps, plugins etc. and models will contain a large number of subtools.

SoccerModels wrote
SoccerModels
Yeah, also, CPU vs. CPU is like 10 minutes rendering vs. 12 hours rendering. I say it from experience.
Posted over 1 year ago
0

Are you building it yourself? My PC is outdated too so no point giving you my specs but use PCPartsPicker to build it out and get the best value for your budget! (Also you can see what others are buying) Personal I would go AMD Ryzen for you CPU (as many cores as you can afford) and then Nvidia GPU maybe a 30 series (even second hand maybe) as I think 40 series is a rip! But if you can afford it go for 40 series. Think 32 gigs of ram is becoming the norm these days! But all depends on your budget really!

delcuvette wrote
thank you for your reply. Why choose AMD Ryzen? I thought that i7 has more core than ryzen 7!
jaguarbeastproduction wrote
jaguarbeastproduction
Ryzen has a large L3 cache of 32Mb, which is good for rendering. The main problem is buying a new motherboard. If this is not a problem for you, then you can choose Ryzen.
JimPlatt wrote
JimPlatt
The thing with AMD is that they keep an upgrade path open to you for a least a couple of generations of CPU's i.e they keep the same socket type whereas Intel generally don't! Search on youtube mate so many tech channels out there offering advice, build guilds and reviews!
Posted over 1 year ago
1

I'd go with 32 GB of RAM.

delcuvette wrote
Any advice for the GPU/CPU ? i7 or i5 ? If i7, from 11th gen is good?
jaguarbeastproduction wrote
jaguarbeastproduction
There is not always a big difference between i5/i7. If the budget is limited, you can work with i5, nothing catastrophic will happen. Regards GPU the more memory and the number of CUDA cores the better.
philh80 wrote
And a decent graphics card, RTX3060ti is relatively affordable now that the Cypto people have given up using all our GPU's lol!
Posted over 1 year ago
0

Buying a used GPU is a very bad and risky idea. Utilities like GPU-Z do not guarantee that the video card is really as shown in it. Donut (Furmark) is also not a panacea. Сard will survive one test but after a few render projects in KeyShot, Redshift or D5 Render (for example) chip will fall off or other even sadder surprises will be revealed. Repairs can cost more than purchase, proving the seller's fraud it will be impossible. Why change motherboard on Z-series chipset is also unclear. Socket 1150 is not so bad to change it to Ryzen.

Posted over 1 year ago
-1

First, if you are making and rendering jewelry models, I would very much recommend you investigate Maverick Render for your rendering engine. It is particularly designed for jewelry, small cosmetic and appliemce products. (But, I use it for everything, including heavily populated enviroment scenes with mountains, trees and all.) For jewelry, it contains EVERYTHING you will need in the way of materials and lighting. Its all built in. In fact, it probably has the most advanced lighting features on the planet. It likes Zbrush, and export from Rhino and import into Maverick is relatively strightforward. So, it is superior to something like Keyshot in that it has all the materials you need as prebuilt stuff, plus the ability to to use or create better, more specialized materials. The lighting options are magnificant, rendering is blazingly fast, and there are plenty of good post-rendering (tonemapping, etc.) options within Maverick.

Given that, Maverick Render only works with a nVidia video card in the RTX series. (Actually not quite true because there is an exception for the older, cheaper GTX 1020 series of cards. I used it this way successfully for a year before I built my current computer with an RTX card.) So, if you go with Maverick Render, that pretty much dictates the need for an nVidia video card. I'm using a RTX 3080 Plus card right now and I love it. (The "Plus" means that this card has 20 GB of RAM, rather than the 16GB that is normal - rather an oddball card for the RTX 3080 series. But it has dropped my rendering times from 1 1/2 hours to 8 minutes on the average.)

Second, I can't imagine getting by on anything less than 32 GB of RAM. 32GB is definately the standard today, and has been for many years. If you go with less, you are wasting your time, and it is just not worth it, considering the small difference in price between 16 and 32 GB of RAM.

For a CPU, I use an intel i9, but I am a Maya modeller with some significant model-buiding needs and special effects (VFX) needs. I'm sure an i7 would do just fine.

As to a "build", I have made my own computers for the last 25 years, but have provided technical advice to a couple hundred clients as well. For a lot of these people, I've recommended "pre-built" machines by iBuyPower over the years. The reason is that you can choose from among their components for a laptop or a desktop - so you are more or less having the iBuyPower guys build a machine to your specifications. And the second reason is that I can often build a machine for a client this way for less money than if I tried to buy the individual components myself. So, with iBuyPower, you get a machine to fit your exact needs for a darn good price, and they back it up with great service if something fails or is not quite right. If it is a laptop you are interested i, go here to take a look at the options. https://www.ibuypower.com/gaming-laptops. Ignore the "gaming" specification. Typically, that is what a model-builder needs.) There is an almost perfect laptop for you needs retailing for about $2,499.00 USD and another that would work just fine for you for $1,199.00 USD.

Posted over 1 year ago
0

Also, as a professional computer builder, I took a look at the specs you posted for your current machine. Yes, it IS time you upgraded, given your work in ZBrush and Rhino. Also, from looking at the componenets, this looks to be a USA machine. If that is correct, and you are living in the USA, then I'd add some additional recommendations.

This looks to be a desktop, rather than a laptop. If you are comfortable with a desktop, I would recommend you replace your current desktop with another desktop, rather than a laptop. In general, a desktop will last longer, and is easier to upgrade in the future. For the most part, a desktop has better air circulation, and better cooling options for the CPU, video card and for the RAM, than does a laptop. So, because it is able to keep the components coolor, all the components last longer. Plus, the coolor the components, the better they perform. Heat is the Number 1 killer of computers. However, if you have a particular need for a laptop, feel free to ignore this idea.

Second, if you purchase something like a dsktop machine from iBuyPower, you can upgrade almost any of the components in the future as your needs change or as changes occur in the technology. (The primary reason that I always build my own machines.) , So, an upgradeable desktop will save you a lot of money over the long-term. Laptops, especially like those from iBuyPower can be upgraded, but it is more difficult to upgrade them.)

An iBuyPower type of machine works well in your particular case, because you can probably salvage the Windows OS, the Western Digital hard drive, and the Sandisk SSD from your old machine and put them into a new desktop. In fact, if it were me, I would specify an iBuyPower desktop - most come without a hard drive, and plan on putting in your own hard drive and SSD into it. Of sourse, you can also add your optical drive as well. (If you're not comfortable with working in the guts of a computer box, I'll volunteer to help.)

I would not give any consideration to trying to salvage your existing RAM, as DDR3 is significantly obsolete now. In fact, you probably could upgrade your existing box a bit with a more powerful CPU and video card --- and save some money, but the DDR 3 RAM this motherboard requires wil be a strong limiiting factor, and you won't gain much. So, I think you have the right idea in going for a more modern motherboard, with better throughput speed, more powerful RAM and CPU combinations, and the ability to host one of the new generation nVidia video cards. Of course, another option for you is to salvage just your hard drive out of your existing box, and put everything else up for sale on Craig's List or the equivalent. You'd probably get some reasonable amount of money for it. But, keep your hard drive. Even if you go for a box with a solid state drive for you main C: drive, you can take the load off you computer by using the salvaged hard drive as a "D:DATA" drive and write all you working data to that second drive.

Posted over 1 year ago
-1

Finally, back to Maverick Render for a minute. I know this sounds like I am flogging this, but am trying not to. I use Arnold Render, Maxwell Render and Maverick Render in my professional work. I even happily pay for all of them every year. There are things I really appreciate about all of them. If you're a Maya user, you pretty much need Arnold, and Arnold skills. Maxwell cannot be beat for some purposes: I'll never give it up! But, I find myself using Maverick Render more and more frequently - especially for professional work. Some of this has to do with the fact that Maverick allows for direct use of Substance Designer - probably entirely irrelevant to you. But, mostly it has to do with the ease of use for professional grade renders. Its almost too simple to get a nice clear render of a model on the very first pass. You can see a few examples here ( ttps://www.artstation.com/artwork/lDxWYe) These are just a few shots of my latest model set, and they took no thinking, no planning, and no real work. I just imported the model into Maverick, and ran a few quick renders with a free HDRI image (Misty Pines) from PolyHaven. Misty Pines provides a nice diffuse light, and I'm familiar with it. But other than that familiarity with one of the HDRI images, ... nothing to it. Yet, I'm pleased with the clarity of these renders and with the no-brainer lighting. Its hard to imagine that I could have done better if I tried to plan out the lighting or get a better grade render. And, as I said, Maverick Render is particular optimized for jewelry.

Forester wrote
Forester
Whoops! https://www.artstation.com/artwork/lDxWYe
delcuvette wrote
Thank you for your reply but I can't afford a pc with those specs.. and I think it's an overkill that I cant afford.
Posted over 1 year ago
0

Considering installed in the current build WD Blue and SSD which is also far from the top-segment, memory with frequency 795MHz and old video card advice to buy a laptop for price 1199- 2499$ looks so nice. :D
GPU 1020 series do not exist in nature. DDR3 handles all tasks perfectly. For rendering jewelry DDR4 and even more so DDR5 is not necessary at all. Maya and Arnold Render are unlikely to be useful for jewelry creation. Core i9 (even the earliest) and latest i7 Haswell are completely different CPUs, they cannot be compared. RTX3080 is useful only if the topic author wants to make an animated film about the creation of jewelry.

delcuvette wrote
So, in resume : i7 at least ? (from 11th gen its ok?) Rtx 3070/3060/3060ti? 32gb DDR3 for RAM ? Thank you
jaguarbeastproduction wrote
jaguarbeastproduction
Regarding i7, yes. As for the video card, a good and not very expensive choice among RTX would be for example ASUS GeForce RTX 3060 PHOENIX 12Gb. Regarding memory it is best to buy two sets of Kingston 8x2Gb with the same frequencies and timings.
Forester wrote
Forester
Of course. Hopefully, no one else interpreted my comments as recommending Maya, Arnold or an RTX3080. Was not doing so - only explaining why I use more than one rendering engine, but still favor Maverick for something like jewelry rendering. Rhino is more than suffiicient for jewelry design, quite good, really, ...and can export into many useful file formats for different rendering engines. But it lacks a "great" renderer. Heck, even Sketchfab is great for jewelry design.
jaguarbeastproduction wrote
jaguarbeastproduction
Maverick of course is cool, but D5 Render is very actively developed.
Forester wrote
Forester
Taking a look at D5 Renderer now. Looks decent. Seems to be aimed at architects - judging by the materials library. I like the facilities for outdoor lighting - more my kind of thing.
Forester wrote
Forester
OK, have taken a longish look at the D5 Render free trial. I like this renderer: it would suit a lot of my own need for the kind of work I do.. But, I don't think this would be the best rendering engine for a person focused on jewelry. The pre-built materials are focused on architecture - viewed from some distance where you don't see of lot of surface details. Part of the reason I recommended Maverick is that its pre-built materials include a large library of metals that are physically accurate in terms of the "index of refraction" for each one and all three specularity properties . This is something essential for jewelry makers. The accuracy of IOR ad specular highlights, color and strength is very apparent in close-up views of metal jewelry pieces. Second reason is that the lighting features are pretty much based around HDRI lighting. A jewelry maker, in contrast, needs an engine with extravagent sudio lighting possibilities. Maverick's "norma-light" is an example of this kind of feature. It allows the user to select a subset of the face normals of a polygon object (a small area of the object) that one wishs one or more of the studio lights to focus on in order to emphasize one aspect of the model (either by light or by shadow) that would not otherwise be well lit by the overall lighting scheme. A light then is created just for that tiny aspect of the jewelry piece, and this light can be adjusted in all the typical ways (color, intensity, edge sharpnes, scale, angle, etc.) So, for any given piece of jewlry, several kinds of highlights and reflections can be created to make the piece look its very best. And the normaLight is just one of the kinds of studio lighting possible in Maverick Render. In essence, the difference between D5 Render and Maverick or Keyshot is that the first is a specialist in "macro lighting" while the latter two renderers are specialists in "micro lighting." If that makes sense to anyone. But, D5 Render looks to be a good engine, especially for the kind of work, I myself do - which is mostly macro scene stuff.
jaguarbeastproduction wrote
jaguarbeastproduction
Thanks for your opinion. It's interesting. In general, I am interested how will be the fate of Maverick in the coming years, opinions different, some users even when he first appeared called this soft a keyshot killer, others are sure that Maverick will soon have the same final as Arion. I think that there are chances of becoming a pretty good standalone renderer but only if new restrictions on hardware are not introduced.
Posted over 1 year ago
1

All processors need cooling but Ryzen processors run a little hotter. Don't scrimp on the heat sink and cooling method. Any choices you make will definitely be an upgrade. Money is always an object, so if you have a limited budget, put your money into quality hardware initially, like a good MB and CPU, and get a memory upgrade later on.
Go with the largest memory capacity per slot that the MB allows so that you can upgrade to more at a later date.

Forester wrote
Forester
Great point. Ryzen are very good and the price is wonderful. But they do run hot. Excellent point TazMan2000! If you can postpone purchasing a CPU until mid-April, the Ryzen 7 7800X3D will be released then, probably at a good price. It is widely expected to be more powerful than Intel's i9 and more powerful than any current Ryzen - but cheaper.
Posted over 1 year ago
1

Strange that no one mentioned Ryzen Threadripper. Absolutely devilish thing from the hottest depths of hell.
Yeah, it's a pity that Frodo didn't have this processor in Middle-earth.

3dgtx wrote
3dgtx
Hey, than you can go straight for the *PC Supernova MK2 AMD Threadripper Pro 5995WX @ 4,75 GHz Extreme Overclocked PC*, costs very little, just ridiculous 20K. Hence for sure in his/her budget. Or, why not directly some Grid K2 cards?^^
Posted over 1 year ago
0

Hello everyone!

I'm still looking for a GPU. I'll take an 3060 or 3060ti I think!

Here is the config I made : https://imgur.com/GDN2wjw

Do I need to change something? (compatibility, better components for less price)

Do I need to change something?

TazMan2000 wrote
TazMan2000
I'm jealous. I haven't build a PC in a while but I think you're good there.
Forester wrote
Forester
The only concern I would have is the 2 TB Samsung (NVMe) M.2 Solid State Drive. If it were me, I would arrange for a smaller M.2 drive (just 1 TB or less). These things have far less lifetime durability than a hard disk drive. So, it is going to fail after a certain amount of time, and if you have that drive full of stuff, you are likely to lose it. I also use a Samsung M.2 for my C: drive, but I have a much smaller one, I don't put any data on that drive, and I am religious - fanatical about backups. (I was a computer tech in a prior life.) When you lose this drive, be aware that you really will need to make a clean install of the operating system on the replacement. In theory, if you are making backups and mirror images properly, you won't require a clean install. In all my professional time, I've never found that to be the case. Normally, I use a RAID mirroring arrangement for all my drives, but your motherboard will not support a RAID system with two identical drives that are copying each other constantly. So, RAID is not a possibility here. (RAID has often saved me - its a great technology, but it won't work on your motherboard and with the M.2 drive of that kind.) So, ... my personal advice would be to see if you could purchase two smaller M.2 drives for the price of this 2 TB drive. Then keep one for the inevitable replacement. (This is what I am doing on my current box.)
Forester wrote
Forester
No one really does know the lifespan of these M.2 SSds. But, we do know that they gum up relatively fast. Samsung is one of the top brands, so that is good. I'm "planning" on just a 2 1/2 year lifespan for my M.2, and hoping for 5 years. But, if you use your computer constantly - daily and for long hours at a stretch, the lifespan is going to be in that general range. (p.s., I'm happy to say that my Viper hard drives in their RAID configuration are just coming into their 11th year, however.)
jaguarbeastproduction wrote
jaguarbeastproduction
I hope AUS ROG is just a typo and not some noname motherboard similar to ASUS. ) Regarding 360 or 360ti of course 3060ti if budget allows.
jaguarbeastproduction wrote
jaguarbeastproduction
Regarding RAID I personally would use for these purposes HDD WD Red Pro.
JimPlatt wrote
JimPlatt
My m.2 drive has last seven years to date.....touch wood! CrystalDiskInfo is a gr8 piece of software to tell you how healthy your drive is if anyone wuz worried!
JimPlatt wrote
JimPlatt
A personal thing for me but if your not bothered about RGB don't go for it and spend the money you save from that in other areas. Another point your going mid tower case....make sure any graphics card you buy will fit inside it and has enough clearance! Graphics cards are huge and long these days! Another personal choice but I'd go with a bit higher wattage power supply maybe a 1000 watts if its not a lot more!
delcuvette wrote
1000w isnt an overkill? and yeah, you rightt, i think i'll go for an bigger tower case!
Posted over 1 year ago
2

"From what I understand, I will need an..............................."

From what I know what you will need depends on what will the lion part on what you plan to work on will be.

If you plan rather to render 80% of your time than mostly doing modeling tasks of highres meshes than you need a good modern and above all! a super-fast graphic card that is i.e. Vray Next /6 / 5 compatible.

I have 7 cards here, Quadro cards, GTX and RTX cards. My RTX 3060i is already perfect for GPU rendering because I render now like only 20% of my time and the "i" gives an additional kick for Raytracing.
If I would render 80% of my timeI would buy a faster graphic card than the 360.

However, if you need your GPU truly for 3d you should pick the "i" version of course.

But you did not wrote anything about your budget, and that is actually that will dictate what you will buy.

delcuvette wrote
Thanks for your comment, I still haven't chosen my graphics card! haha I'm still hesitating between a 3060 with 12gb or a 3060ti with 8go. The 3060ti doesn't exist in 12gb, otherwise I would have chosen this graphics card because the "ti" still interests me. I do jewellery rendering with a lot of refractions and I would like to render glass objects etc.. On another forum in my country, I was advised to get an AMD GPU with 12-16gb of vram, I wonder what it's worth and if it wouldn't be better than a 3060 or 3060ti.
3dgtx wrote
3dgtx
"12gb" You won´t profit from 4gb more when you work in 3d. The TI advantages are much more valuable as the 4gb.
LemonadeCG wrote
LemonadeCG
""12gb" You won´t profit from 4gb more when you work in 3d. The TI advantages are much more valuable as the 4gb." - let me disagree with that statement. When i needed to make decision which one of the two cards to choose, i decided in favor of 360 12GB. I work with CGI, but i don't do GPU rendering and raw speed for me is not that important compared to VRAM size. My main applications where GPU is important, is Substance Painter and 3ds Max and in both of them having more VRAM is more important than having slightly faster card. Even if you do GPU rendering, having enough VRAM can be very important, because it can be deciding factor whether you will be able to render certain scene at all, or not. IMHO 360TI makes more sense in gaming than in CGI.
jaguarbeastproduction wrote
jaguarbeastproduction
+4GB relevant for rendering big exterior/interior scenes with a large number of objects. For the rendering of jewelry, the number of CUDA cores will be much more important, in 3060Ti the number of cores is 1280 more and it's a big difference for rendering. In addition, GDDR6X memory in 3060Ti is also faster. And finally it is unbelievably scary to imagine a jewelry model for which even 8GB VRAM is not enough. ))
3dgtx wrote
3dgtx
4TB would help you^^ However, big scene management is an own art and max and maya has good solutions for efficient big scene management - viewport optimization (hiding textures, layer management), proxies, instancing, xref, and smart formats. Textures? TIFF, TGA or PNG consume a lot of memory and significantly slacken overall performance. I use only PSD till my textures are ready and then I use only JPEG for final textures in rendering projects.
Posted over 1 year ago
0

"3060 with 12gb or a 3060ti with 8gb"

I picked the second one and I don't regret it, I had to read a lot about the difference and the performance of the "ti" is superior in all points when it come to GPU rendering, above all raytracing. Both share the ‘3060’ name, but are two different cards.
It is faster thanks to wider memory bandwidth and it has ten cores more. Still any questions?^^

Posted over 1 year ago
3

I agree with jaguarbeastproduction on full scale, for jewelry 8GB card not enough? you don´t have hundreds of 8K textures for jewelry. On other hand jewelry rendering requires a lot of physical correctness and raytracing is crucial. The TI is worlds faster for Raytracing.

delcuvette wrote
I bought the 3070 tuf one... I hope I dont make a mistake.. :'(
delcuvette wrote
I feel so stupid rn..
3dgtx wrote
3dgtx
3070, even better.
Posted over 1 year ago
3

"IMHO 360TI makes more sense in gaming than in CGI."
No, it is exactly the other way around.
99% Gamers are buying the non TI version like hot cakes, even because they are so focussed on that "12" GB that in their eyes will enable them to play that stuff on maximum everything.

SoccerModels wrote
SoccerModels
LOL, exactly. People start to be interested in the "Ti" card first when they find out it´s not a gamer´s card.
Posted over 1 year ago
0

"If the budget is limited, you can work with i5"

one last thing and I am out of this. Looking to the top, there is a comment by "PBRSTUDIO" in terms of the CPU. CPU is an essential part of a workstation and you have still to render with the CPU too often enough.
Having 12 cores with 20 treads and up to 4.90 GHz in turbo is a big difference to the i5 that is really not meant for rendering purposes.
I have build in this guy onto my board two weeks ago and it is so fast already compared to my older i7...hell and heaven.
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/134592/intel-core-i712700f-processor-25m-cache-up-to-4-90-ghz/specifications.html

The "F" just means that it dosn´t have an internal graphic unit, that you won´t need anyway since you ill buy a solid GPU by yourself.

Hence, the GPU and CPU that´s what you should focus on for your workstation, in my opinion.
Everything else is "upgradable"! SSD drives, more RAM, etc. But once bought the GPU and CPU and you have to stickwith that - not upgradable.

Good luck with your new top notch workstation and never forget: never touch a running system.

jaguarbeastproduction wrote
jaguarbeastproduction
Hm, what is better for a workstation, one new i7 or two (not newest) Xeon CPU?) Xeon's remained unmentioned. Somehow not good) especially when it comes to real WORKstations.
3dgtx wrote
3dgtx
what is your opinion on that? for me it depends on electricity costs, budget and the why. Why xeon todays? GPU rendering is more affordable. Also, 2 x (older) xeons can suck more energy than 1 x (newer) i7. If similar, than are they (not so new...) not a bottleneck considering a new gpu and other modern components? And considering a new xeon model, something like that: Intel Xeon W-3175X with 28 cores - it costs 3500 eur, so it´s like 10 x 3060i or 10 x i7. And it sucks at least 0.43 KW in full load with an electrical power loss of 0,15 KW. Your energy supplier will thank you.
3dgtx wrote
3dgtx
End of watch, good luck, good night.

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