Fraudsters purchasing items with stolen cards

Discussion started by 5dvis-creatives

What is Cgtrader doing about all the fraudsters purchasing with stolen cards on here?

I feel like they're doing absolutely nothing Tangible. There's currently a refund deductible on my account because a buyer used a stolen credit card, and now I rather owe Cgtrader. Because of this I've refused to interact or upload any new assets here because of these dishonest folks (all my files are now password protected even if I make them free).

I have a strong suggestion which cgtrader must apply immediately >> instead of buyers having the ability to buy directly with linked credit cards, cgtrader should develop a system whereby they have to buy something like 'cgtrader coins' which is equivalent to whichever currency is being dealt with. Then the buyers 'cgtrader coins' will be put on hold for at least a week while the team thoroughly investigates the buyer, source of credit card and details plus contact bank card issuer if necessary, to see if it is a genuine card. After that 1 week minimum period if its determined to be genuine, before buyer will be allowed to use the 'cgtrader coins' to make purchases. Please implement this method as soon as possible, else sellers and cgtrader as a whole will be on a losing end while buyers (potential fraudsters) get away with their crimes under Cgtrader buyer protection.

Or better still, Cgtrader should completely remove the option for buyers to use any type of credit card for purchases, and rather have buyer's link their bank account to cgtrader so they perform a wire transfer payment anytime they want to make a purchase. This method is very secure and the money is irreversible once processed, and it'll go a long way to stop all these stolen card refund deductible nonsense on here.

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Posted over 2 years ago
7

Don't be ridiculous. CGT coins and wire transfer would easily decrease customer base tenfolds, not to mention that cgtrader has no legal right nor resources to investigate customers financial history.

Payment reversal does hurt, of course, but it's really rare event and there's nothing you can do about it. I have about 2000 sales on cgtrader and from all those sales there were 2 or 3 payment reversals due to no cardholder authorization. That's a fraction of per cent. I lost less than $100 in lifetime sales due to this, but your proposed measures would surely cost me more than this each month! So no, thank you, but let's leave things as they are. You may be upset when you lose the sale because of chargeback, but if one day someone will steal your credit card, i'm sure you will be happy that such protection does exist.

BTW, i'm pretty sure that locking your files under the password is against the rules here and it's sure way to get refunds, customers complaints and negative reviews. Who knows, you might even get banned because of this. Just letting you know.

5dvis-creatives wrote
5dvis-creatives
You don't seem to get the point. You've made 2000 sales on cgtrader with only 3 being stolen from you. How about those who barely make any sales and if it happens, it turns out to be a fraud purchase? It's like a millionaire loosing a hundred dollar bill compared to a homeless broke person loosing the little they get. You dont understand the situation from your perspective. Customer base won't reduce if they are required to link their banks for purchases. Any one who needs a model desperately for their project will go any length in doing so via which ever new purchase method is implemented. After all, sellers have options of getting paid via wire transfer, paypal and payoneer. Why must buyers be excluded from those options too? If majority of sellers face these fraud challenges from buyers, how are they supposed to be encouraged to upload more content on this market place knowing it will be wasted effort to thievery and most probably free distribution to others? Btw dont worry about my files being password protected. It's only for precautionary measures in case of some hack or fraudster wanting to access them knowing damn well they have to make contact personally with me to use them. I'm posted up on other online marketplaces anyway and here is dormant for me so no worries. Just looking out for others who are being subjected to unfair treatments on cgtrader with buyers getting protection and sellers left out in the cold.
Posted over 2 years ago
-2

You don't seem to get the point. You've made 2000 sales on cgtrader with only 3 being stolen from you. How about those who barely make any sales and if it happens, it turns out to be a fraud purchase?
It's like a millionaire loosing a hundred dollar bill compared to a homeless broke person loosing the little they get. You dont understand the situation from your perspective.
Customer base won't reduce if they are required to link their banks for purchases. Any one who needs a model desperately for their project will go any length in doing so via which ever new purchase method is implemented. After all, sellers have options of getting paid via wire transfer, paypal and payoneer. Why must buyers be excluded from those options too?
If majority of sellers face these fraud challenges from buyers, how are they supposed to be encouraged to upload more content on this market place knowing it will be wasted effort to thievery and most probably free distribution to others?

Btw dont worry about my files being password protected. It's only for precautionary measures in case of some hack or fraudster wanting to access them knowing damn well they have to make contact personally with me to use them. I'm posted up on other online marketplaces anyway and here is dormant for me so no worries. Just looking out for others who are being subjected to unfair treatments on cgtrader with buyers getting protection and sellers left out in the cold.

LemonadeCG wrote
LemonadeCG
It doesn't matter if you made 10 sales, or 10 000 sales, chargeback can happen to anyone at any time. Point is, that it happens very rarely. If you're unlucky to get payment reversal early in your career, it might be that you won't get another one for next 5 000 sales... or you can get one more tomorrow - that is a nature of random event.
LemonadeCG wrote
LemonadeCG
As for your other arguments, i don't even bother to respond, since i'm confident that cgtrader don't even consider to implement them - they are not that stupid :]
Posted over 2 years ago
3

Hi there,

In my opinion, your suggestions will lead to the death of the CGTrader marketplace.

Given difficult times for the entire industry voluntarily to complicate financial schemes, this would be the height of stupidity and simply suicide.
I support the opinion of LemonadeCG.

Regards

5dvis-creatives wrote
5dvis-creatives
Well then, let the thievery continue. 'Free' models for us all with stolen credit card purchases.
jaguarbeastproduction wrote
jaguarbeastproduction
You are clearly overstating the issue with thieves and fraudulent activities. O.k, let's make the process of paying for models as complicated as possible. Most buyers will simply prefer to buy the same models on other platforms and thieves will prefer to steal them where it is easier. This will not give any advantages to the marketplace, only loss both for the company itself and for everyone who cooperates with it.
LemonadeCG wrote
LemonadeCG
Exactly as jaguarbeastproduction said - every single obstacle between the customers and the models, will lead to massive decrease in sales, because traffic will go were there's less obsatcles. Business 101
Posted over 2 years ago
0

It seems I won't win this argument/suggestion, so I'll let it be.
I guess customers are always right even if they fxck you over again & again.

jaguarbeastproduction wrote
jaguarbeastproduction
Please calm down. Your suggestions are really ridiculous. Of course, you may not agree with this, but it is a fact.
Posted over 2 years ago
4

You are suggestion to combat a very rare type of fraud by making cg trader implement something that in the best case scenario will do more harm than the actual fraud, and in the worse case scenario could bring down the platform all together by scaring away costumers to other platforms like Turbosquid.

And you think it is strange that people are not agreeing with you?
And what are you even trying to accomplish? this implementations will also hurt you, and it will hurt more then the fraud...

Posted over 2 years ago
0

Haha. I'm calm. I just dont see the reason why there isn't any 'seller protection' put in place.
It's like a regulatory body prohibiting grocery store owners from checking for counterfeit when customers make payment for goods bought,and even when the customers are caught red-handed, they must be allowed to go free along with the goods taken, while the grocery store owner has to bear all losses insight of taxes, inventory restock, Bill's etc.
Looks like free real estate for real.

Posted over 2 years ago
-1

Do you not find contradictions between the requirement to immediately introduce strong suggestions offered by you and the absence of a huge number of same suggestions or complaints from other sellers? :)

Posted over 2 years ago
0

There are complaints similar to mine, some dating back to 6 years ago on this forum.
Ain't nothing changed. Seems everyone is just sucked into the system now and will let 'the powers that be' not do anything for sellers, as buyers have some protection like refunds. You dont have to agree with me, but its known that when a rigged system is benefitting a select group of people the most, they chastise any other force that fights for fairness against them.

iterateCGI wrote
iterateCGI
As far as I know CGtrader did the most for the artist community (for one, diminish the power of turbosquid extortion). Your emotional reaction is understandable but proposed solutions do not outway the negative impact for overwhelming majority of people that do support the artistic community.
Forester wrote
Forester
Hey fella - might be good to listen to yourself above. You are angry, justifiable, but now, not particularly open to reasonable arguments from others.
Posted over 2 years ago
-1

I have seen all marketplaces, from the oldest and now irrelevant for various reasons to the newest, such as FlippedNormals.
And for some reason, none of them have any difficult conditions for paying for models and other content.
Everyone makes mistakes and doesn't know how to run a business or are in collusion with thieves?

5dvis-creatives wrote
5dvis-creatives
I dont mean that. What I'm saying is some buyers (mostly the crook ones) will fight against my suggestion, knowing it will close the loop hole they've been using to get any type of model for free on cgtrader to be specific. Several software companies even require potential customers to fill out a whole form and choose a method of payment (wire transfer included) before they can access and download the software and sent a license key. It's not too much work. If you're a registered buyer on a site with all obligatory forms including identification details and payment information filled out, making a payment for a service or product will be hassle free (as required details for purchasing are already filled out on the website). Ain't this great? Now imagine if I go through your page and see a ton of your models I want, but decide to buy them with stolen credit cards with a different identity, what will you do about it when I download your nice models without actually paying a dime and you rather get huge chargebacks for fraud detection on the transactions? Absolutely nothing.
Posted over 2 years ago
0

Payment reversal comes from bank, there's absolutely nothing that cgtrader could do about it. In theory CGT could offer something like seller protection program, but in the end it's you who would have to pay for it, probably in form of reduced royalty rate.

Posted over 2 years ago
2

In my opinion, it is impossible to create an ideal marketplace that would completely protect both buyers and sellers from any type of fraud, including with cards.

In business, it is always necessary to prioritize, sometimes this is combined with the fact that someone will be very uncomfortable, but nothing can be done about it.
Trying to please everyone invariably leads to total failure, so as previously mentioned by LemonadeCG let's leave things as they are.

Despite some bugs and issues, CGTrader remains one of the best for both buyers and sellers.

Forester wrote
Forester
Completely agree!
Posted over 2 years ago
-1

Let's close this chapter, fellas.
A team representative has assured me of a new payment system coming up that will give sellers better protection. Hoping for the best.

Posted over 2 years ago
-1

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apkeats wrote
Seeing unauthorized charges on your bank statement or app can cause quite a scare. If this has happened to you, you’re not alone. Credit card fraud is an unfortunately common digital fraud scheme. Now, more than ever, it’s important to be on guard. According to our latest US Consumer Pulse study, 39% of consumers said they’ve been targeted by digital fraud schemes related to COVID-19, with almost one-third of those attempts being in relation to stolen credit cards or fraudulent charges. Hope it may be helpful for you. One more thing, if you get fedup of frauds then you need to get relax and engage yourself in games. My suggestion will be to play apkeats.com/hay-day-mod/ because this is a simulation game which will divert your mind and will keep you engaged in it. Must try!!!
Posted over 2 years ago
-1

In my opinion, the best offer is the company's own coins so that buyers do not violate

Posted over 2 years ago
-1

i'm pretty sure that locking your files under the password is against the rules here and it's sure way to get refunds

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